And do you know that in 1969, the radical students put a bug in the Boardroom, a recorder. The Board meetings in those days were not supposed to be open. It was taped up there with masking tape and that didn't hold very well. So during the Board meeting, these things started to fall off and fell down on the leg of one of the lady Board members. There were 2 lady Board members then. There was great concern about this; we didn't know who did it. But at the end of the school year, the library has a special day that you can turn in books without paying a fine. I think they still have this. Anyway, a box came in and it had the tapes that were made with the bug. Whoever did it I guess had some conscience about it.
G: I don’t think so. I don’t think that UVA ever really went through the sort-of ‘student governance issues’ that other schools went through. I graduated from Columbia in ’65 and I was out of there by the time this stuff really started at Columbia. But the issue there was, we don’t need somebody telling us what courses we have to take. We want to set our own curriculum. And we don’t need somebody telling us that we have to be back in our dorm rooms at such-and-such time or there could be no women in the rooms or whatever. Virginia never really had that. Those challenges to the administration’s authority never really took hold here.
I think part of that was because Edgar Shannon, who was the President, was very open-minded. People said he knew the name of every student. He had the great ability to remember names and when the first-year class came in, he’d hold a reception up there at Carr’s Hill and he’d shake every hand. And people said he remembered every name. He would drop into dorms and just visit students and walk up and down the Lawn. He continued to teach.